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‘I Want to Touch a Dog’

Post by najib76 on Mon Oct 20, 2014 4:00 am

Salam,

Kempen pegang anjing mendapat sambutan hangat dikalangan orang Islam .
apa pandangan Feqah dalam perkara ini ?
Boleh kongsikan ....

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Re: ‘I Want to Touch a Dog’

Post by abu_firdaus on Mon Oct 20, 2014 5:56 am

setiap program ada pro & con. niatnya mungkin baik tapi sebelum dilaksanakan, perlu pertimbangkan pro & con ini. wapau pun ramai yg setuju, ramai juga yg kritik, especially yg kurang faham hukum hakam.

mungkin perku kpd penambahbaikan program. tajuknya saja pun dah mengundang kontroversi. kalau nak ulang program, letak tajuk yg lebih umum seperti "Islam & Dogs"

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Re: ‘I Want to Touch a Dog’

Post by thtl on Mon Oct 20, 2014 6:20 am

apa motif?
supaya manusia menyayangi anjing atau kempen orang Islam bela anjing sbg pet?
mazhab syafi'iy, anjing adalah najis, mazhab Maliki/hanafi, anjing adalah suci dan umat spt kita...itu ajelah isunya Malaysia ni mazhab syafi'iyah...

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Re: ‘I Want to Touch a Dog’

Post by najib76 on Mon Oct 20, 2014 6:23 am

program tersebut diibaratkan menghina ??

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Post by thtl on Mon Oct 20, 2014 6:26 am

Ya, disisi mazhab malaysia, tak sesuai, menghina pun ada..sebab haiwan tu najis seluruhnya. kalau dalam negara mazhab malikiah, Ok je

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Re: ‘I Want to Touch a Dog’

Post by najib76 on Mon Oct 20, 2014 6:30 am

boleh kita katakan pengaruh Islam Liberal ??

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Post by thtl on Mon Oct 20, 2014 6:35 am

tak juga, ia mungkin membetulkan persepsi org Islam terhadap anjing.
selama ni syafi'iyah amat ortodoks terhadap anjing dan amat membencinya.
Ini tak betul..anjing banyak kegunaan kpd manusia, dulu:
1. teman berburu
2. teman gembala
3. jaga tanaman
4. jaga rumah
sekarang unit anjing pdrm, unit penyelamat, unit dadah, unit military

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Re: ‘I Want to Touch a Dog’

Post by abu_firdaus on Mon Oct 20, 2014 6:45 am

mmg payah nak membetulkan persepsi muslim mainstream malaya. ramai yg melenting & bagi hukum berdasarkan emosi/logik semata, & tidak dgn dalil.

bila dibesarkan isu sentuh anjing, & ramai juga yg bergambar sentuh anjing, ini byk menimbulkan fitnah. walaupun sebenarnya byk program lain yg mrk buat (penerangan tentang sertu misalnya) tapi org ramai nampak isu sentuh anjing yg dibesarkan.

jadinya sebaiknya jika penganjur ikhlas nak membetulkan persepsi islam terhadap anjing, kena tukar kaedah & tajuk.

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Post by thtl on Mon Oct 20, 2014 6:47 am

senang citer, kat Malaysia x yah buat sebab rata2 tak dak ilmu rentas mazhab

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Re: ‘I Want to Touch a Dog’

Post by abu_firdaus on Mon Oct 20, 2014 6:53 am

betul juga. kat malaysia ni senang sgt putar-belit dgn media. media yg menentukan isu (walaupun sebenarnya bukan isu).

even yg ada ilmu rentas mazhab pun, majoriti mrk akan "memenangkan" mazhab syafie & menolak pendpt lain dgn alasan "tak sesuai"

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Re: ‘I Want to Touch a Dog’

Post by rd73 on Mon Oct 20, 2014 7:04 am

ramai sekarang nak bela anjing jaga kawasan rumah dari dimasuki penyamun berparang. maklumlah pihak polis tak cukup staff nak buat semua tu.

cuma kena terangkan kepada orangramai, jgn bagi anjing belaan tu masuk rumah. kena ada rumah kecik utk anjing tu.

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Post by thtl on Mon Oct 20, 2014 7:15 am

kalau statistik jenayah kawasan tu tinggi, mmg bolehla

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Re: ‘I Want to Touch a Dog’

Post by abu_firdaus on Mon Oct 20, 2014 7:43 am

sy diberitahu oleh kawan..tentang penganjur ini, syed azmi, memang selalu buat kerja2 amal. antara usaha2nya.. buat kursus pengurusan jenazah di masjid, projek2 amal bantu anak2 yatim, mengagih brg2 terpakai kpd yg memerlukan. yakni projek2 yg berterusan, bukan ikut musim. so nampak mcm tak ada kaitan dgn parti politik atau NGO2 tertentu (read: islamic liberal).

bila dah kenal penganjur, mungkin kita lebih faham tentang niat dia sebenarnya baik. tapi mungkin program sentuh anjing ini kurang sesuai. kita bantulah dia utk menambahbaik program2 akan dtg.

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Re: ‘I Want to Touch a Dog’

Post by rd73 on Mon Oct 20, 2014 10:21 am

kena tekankan kpd orgramai. bela anjing tak sama mcm bela kucing sampai boleh masuk rumah dan tidur sekatil mcm kucing. hanya sekadar jaga haiwan ternakan, kawasan rumah dan berburu di hutan bagi org awam.

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Re: ‘I Want to Touch a Dog’

Post by rd73 on Mon Oct 20, 2014 10:25 am

wow... jakim tengah siasat penganjur... lebih baik jakim terangkan segala nash yg ada kepada org ramai...

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Re: ‘I Want to Touch a Dog’

Post by rd73 on Mon Oct 20, 2014 10:30 am

tapi, tengok balik acara semalam tu. lebih kepada layan anjing mcm kucing jer,,, bahaya jugak ni.

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Re: ‘I Want to Touch a Dog’

Post by abu_firdaus on Mon Oct 20, 2014 11:40 am

itu la silapnya. sebab tajuknya pun dah mengundang kontroversi maka org akan focus kat situ saja, walaupun dlm program dia ada aktiviti lain termasuk cara sertu dll.

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Re: ‘I Want to Touch a Dog’

Post by najib76 on Tue Oct 21, 2014 5:08 am

sudah ada beberapa tokoh bercakap soal nak jadikan
umat Islam berubah menjadi seorang yang berfahaman liberal.


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Re: ‘I Want to Touch a Dog’

Post by rd73 on Tue Oct 21, 2014 5:26 am

liberal dari segi apa ? akidah ? keluasan fekah?

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Re: ‘I Want to Touch a Dog’

Post by abu_firdaus on Tue Oct 21, 2014 5:44 am

isu ini bagi saya dah overblown out of proportion.
isu remeh temeh yg dibesar2kan.

sy suka pendirian MB s'ngor dlm ini yg mana dia tak nak ulas kerana ada isu negeri/negara yg lebih besar yg patut diselesaikan.

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Post by rd73 on Tue Oct 21, 2014 5:53 am

sebagai mb dia kena ulas sebagai mb. tak boleh diam aja. bila diam public akan anggap dia tidak mewakili public, lagi teruk. kalau tak tahu. sekurang2nya buat statement utk serahan kpd jais buat ulasan. public tak nak mb bisu.

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Post by abu_firdaus on Tue Oct 21, 2014 6:18 am

tak pe la. dia baru 3 minggu jadi MB. kasi can la hehe

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Re: ‘I Want to Touch a Dog’

Post by najib76 on Tue Oct 21, 2014 7:14 am

perlu penganjur bertaubat ?

boleh tak kita katakan yang Islam juga Liberal ?
tetapi berpandu Quran dan Sunnah ..

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Post by rd73 on Tue Oct 21, 2014 11:56 am

liberal = terbuka. jadi Islam terbuka dgn keluasan fiqh.

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Re: ‘I Want to Touch a Dog’

Post by seijiseimura84 on Tue Oct 21, 2014 4:57 pm

Only open-minded people allowed to read this.

Before I write further, i would like to disclaim two things:
1. This is a writing of a recent doggy event in Bandar Utama. It has nothing to do with politics as i see both sides (barisanis or pakatanis) have differing opinions themselves.
2. I am not issuing any new fatwa here. However, few ulamas have stated their opinions based on quran and hadeeth. I just happen to agree with them and i am just echoing their opinions here.

It is very well known that malay muslims are super sensitive. Perkataan Allah tak mau share, kononnya gugat keimanan. Muslim tak boleh sentuh anjing, haram. Cadbury ada DNA babi menjerit satu malaysia. Munafiq! Fasiq! Murjiah! Very sensitive. Pendek kata, lagi banyak diharamkan, lagi alim lah kita. The more labelling we can give, the more islamic. The more conservative, the better. Demi jaga sensitiviti bangsa dan agama.

Therein lies the problem. We want people to respect malay muslim sensitivities, but we cant return the same favor. Rampas bible. Raiding temples. Being openly racist. In a multicultural multireligious society, you cant have everything your way. You have to compromise abit. You have to pick your battles.

I want to touch dogs.

If i was back in malaysia i would join the event and pet all dogs, then sertu. Why not? No QURANIC VERSE or HADEETH saying that touching dog is haram. Dogs can be impure (najis), but impure is NOT HARAM. If all impurities are haram like suggested by some ustaz, even doctors and nurses jobs are haraam since we deal with human blood, vomitus, urine, feces, pus discharges, liquors, meconiums. The people working with septic tanks are haraam. Cuci tandas haram. Veterinarians also haram.

When a bedouin urinated in masjid, our beloved prophet Muhammad let him finish his business when companios are scolding him. He later educated the bedouin not to do such thing and poured water to urinated site to make it pure. (Please refer Saheeh Muslim 285)

No i am not saying its permissible to pee in masjids. No. What i am saying is the tender loving Rasulullah didnt resort to labelling and scorning. He educated, and he made impurities go away. No sensitivity issues. Even something big like this happens to mosque also Rasulullah did not scold, what else just touching dogs... When some metro said "boleh jejas akidah", its like - mana la depa blajar ni?.. atau nak lariskan akhbar je...

Then why only dogs? Why not pigs? Since you love impurities so much. I guess these are just simply sarcastic questions. They can be ignored but i will give an answer anyway.

It lowers blood pressure, blood sugar, keeps one active, reduce stress, some can detect cancerous growth. Read up here:

http://m.livescience.com/35463-seven-surprising-health-benefits-dog-ownership-110209.html

In case you cannot comprehend better, why dogs why not pigs, read this hadeeth on Jesus shall descend and kill all pigs.

Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until the son of Mary (i.e. Jesus) descends amongst you as a just ruler, he will break the cross, KILL THE PIGS, and abolish the Jizya tax. Money will be in abundance so that nobody will accept it (as charitable gifts)"
(Sahih Bukhari Volume 3, Book 43, Number 656)

The issues of dogs mistreatment in Malaysia are quite shocking. Private dog catchers are reported to be very cruel to stray dogs. Read here.

http://www.thestar.com.my/Opinion/Online-Exclusive/Behind-The-Cage/Profile/Articles/2013/10/04/catching-and-culling/

Stray dogs dumped on island (pulau ketam), starved to death and driven to cannibalism.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/may/07/stray-dogs-malaysia-cannibalism

Even more ridiculous that recently a mall rejected an elderly blind chinese man with seeing-eye dog. On the basis of nothing!

http://m.themalaymailonline.com/malaysia/article/mans-best-friend-not-loved-by-everyone

If you dont believe dog mistreatment in malaysia is real, then i dont know what will. We need to ask ourselves, why a self proclaimed islamic country is NOTHING BUT CRUEL to dogs?

We muslims know in theory about kindness to animals. Thats it, JUST THEORY only. Because that's all we do, talk talk talk. Ustaz-ustaz also mostly ceramah only. Time to walk the talk. Time to really be kind to animals.

I am not saying the extremes that muslims now should own dogs. No. Unless you need the dog to guard your house. Or you need a seeing-eye dog. Or you want to go hunting. The doggy event is just to advocate the love and kindness for animal that is frequently frightened by muslims, the dogs.

Some ustaz and ulama differ in opinion regarding touching dogs. That is okay. But what is not okay is disrepecting another ulama's opinion while trying to enforce your own. Even the genius 4 imam mazhabs and their scholars, though differ in their opinions, never sought fights among themselves. Why would dumbasses like us would want to?

This is why muslims are currently the most backwards. We have 1.3 billion muslims and cant even win over 14million jewish zionists. In the times of prophet, companions, the caliphates, the door of ijtihad was wide open. Opinions differ, but everything was okay. Now since ustaz and ulama took over the role like priests (with the jakim, jawi, jais) we are told not to question so much and not to think so much. Invent bid'ah like solat hormat waktu also, terima aje lah...

Because, well, too sensitive...

There are many other more important things to address in muslim society. Dont be too focused on touching dogs while blinding one eye on divorce rates among muslims, murtad, drug abusing, domestic violence etc etc.

Again, i want to emphasize there is no need to dramatize the whole event. No need to label this and that. It happened and it is not a sinful festival. (Oktoberfest, PAS khalid samad said ok, remember anyone???) Muslims already sertu off their impurities. No issues.

Dogs are lovely creatures with hearts of gold. Offer them your heart, and they shall offer you theirs. They cant say what they need or want, so humans should advocate on their behalf. As a developing country, Malaysia needs to step up in small matters like this, being dog friendly, or at least, not a country with RIDICULOUS dog phobias.

For when we are phobia of something, we mistreat them. Islamophobia anyone?

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